The ‘little r’ racist idea that swung the election : Code Switch

The election is over, and the dust is starting to settle. So what lessons should we all be taking from the historic match-up between Donald Trump and Kamala Harris? On this episode, we talk to New York Times political correspondent Astead Herndon about whether the 2024 presidential election was about Trump being a good candidate, Harris being a bad candidate, or something else entirely. And he explains why he thinks the big takeaway from this election isn’t the divide between Republicans and Democrats, but about the divide between political elites and the American public. And he says that it may be time to rethink our presumptions about how much voters care about representation.

This episode was hosted by Gene Demby, produced by Xavier Lopez and Christina Cala, and edited by Leah Donnella. Our engineer was Kwesi Lee.